Le jeudi\u00a06 juin,\u00a0la Guilde canadienne des m\u00e9dias\u00a0\u00e9tait devant le\u00a0Comit\u00e9 s\u00e9natorial permanent des Finances\u00a0nationales\u00a0\u00e0\u00a0Ottawa dans le cadre des audiences du Comit\u00e9\u00a0sur le projet de loi\u00a0C-60. La Guilde a r\u00e9it\u00e9r\u00e9\u00a0ses arguments\u00a0selon lesquels\u00a0toute mention de CBC\/Radio-Canada doit \u00eatre retir\u00e9e\u00a0du projet de loi\u00a0C-60 pour emp\u00eacher que le gouvernement ne s’ing\u00e8re dans la plus grande salle de nouvelles\u00a0au\u00a0pays.<\/p>\n
Voici l’intervention de la Guilde\u00a0lors de l’audience :<\/p>\n
Guilde Canadienne des m\u00e9dias My name is Carmel Smyth, I am the President of the Canadian Media Guild [Je m’appelle Carmel Smyth,\u00a0je\u00a0suis pr\u00e9sidente de la Guilde canadienne des m\u00e9dias]. Et je m’appelle Jeanne d’Arc Umurungi, je suis la directrice des Communications pour la Guilde canadienne des m\u00e9dias. [ And my name\u00a0 is Jeanne d’Arc Umurungi, I am the Communications Director with the Canadian Media Guild]<\/p>\n Carmel Smyth<\/strong><\/p>\n Thank you for inviting us to share our concerns about Bill C-60. We appreciate the invitation, and are happy to be here, but because it has been such short notice, we are not here with a formal brief.<\/p>\n -I will speak to this bill wearing two hats. As a 20-year veteran CBC television reporter. And in my current position as President of the Canadian Media Guild, representing more than six thousand journalists and media workers across the country, including those at CBC, in Radio, Television and online news and programming.<\/p>\n -We are not\u00a0a political organization, and rarely speak out or criticize proposed bills, but in this case we have felt compelled to speak up in the strongest possible terms, from the moment we realized the significant impact this bill could have on the country\u2019s largest news organization.<\/p>\n -I understand the movers of this bill may not have foreseen the significant and even dangerous precedent inherent in it. And for that reason we\u2019d like to share our concerns.<\/p>\n [Merci de nous avoir invit\u00e9es\u00a0\u00e0 partager nos pr\u00e9occupations\u00a0au sujet du projet de loi C-60. Nous vous sommes reconnaissantes pour l’inviation, et nous sommes\u00a0heureuses d’\u00eatre ici, mais en raison du court pr\u00e9avis, nous ne d\u00e9posons\u00a0pas de m\u00e9moire formel.<\/p>\n -e\u00a0parlerai\u00a0de ce projet\u00a0en ma qualit\u00e9 de journaliste comptant 20 ans d’exp\u00e9rence \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision de CBC\/Radio-Canada, mais aussi en\u00a0ma qualit\u00e9 de pr\u00e9sidente de la Guilde canadienne des m\u00e9dias, mon\u00a0poste actuel, repr\u00e9sentant plus de 6 000 journalistes\u00a0et travailleurs des m\u00e9dias partout au pays, y compris \u00e0 CBC, \u00e0 la radio, \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision\u00a0et en ligne, au service de l’information et programmation.<\/p>\n -Nous ne sommes pas une organisation politique, et\u00a0il est rare que nous\u00a0nous exprimions contre\u00a0des projets de loi ou critiquions ces derniers, mais dans ce cas, nous nous sommes senti oblig\u00e9s de\u00a0nous exprimer le plus vigoureusement possible, d\u00e8s que nous nous sommes rendu compte de l’impact significatif\u00a0que ce projet de loi\u00a0pourrait avoir\u00a0sur le plus grand service de nouvelles\u00a0au pays.<\/p>\n -Je comprends que ceux qui ont propos\u00e9\u00a0ce projet de loi\u00a0n’aient pas envisag\u00e9 les enjeux\u00a0importants et dangereux que cela\u00a0pourrait soulever. Et pour cela, nous aimerions\u00a0vous faire conna\u00eetre nos pr\u00e9occupations.]<\/p>\n Jeanne d’Arc Umurungi <\/strong><\/p>\n Budget de CBC\/Radio-Canada -Il faut aussi parler des co\u00fbts exceptionnels que ce projet de loi pourrait entra\u00eener, en raison de son existence parall\u00e8lement \u00e0 la Loi sur la radiodiffusion du pays. Nous croyons que les cons\u00e9quences inattendues et impr\u00e9visibles de\u00a0 ce projet de loi pourraient \u00eatre en conflit avec la Loi et, plus inqui\u00e9tant encore, qu’elles pourraient r\u00e9duire l’ind\u00e9pendance qui est essentielle aux activit\u00e9s du service des nouvelles et de l’information.<\/p>\n -Voici une citation tir\u00e9e\u00a0de la pr\u00e9sentation du pr\u00e9sident de Radio-Canada devant le Comit\u00e9 permanent des Finances de la Chambre des Communes :<\/p>\n L’ind\u00e9pendance de la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 est consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme \u00e9tant si fondamentale pour son bon fonctionnement que la Loi prot\u00e8ge notre Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 de l’obligation de remettre au ministre, au ministre des Finances ou au Conseil du Tr\u00e9sor des renseignements qui pourraient porter atteinte \u00e0 la libert\u00e9 d’expression ou \u00e0 I’ind\u00e9pendance en mati\u00e8re de journalisme, de cr\u00e9ation ou de programmation dont jouit la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 dans la r\u00e9alisation de sa mission et I’exercice de ses pouvoirs > [52 (2)(a)].<\/i><\/p>\n Ces mots de la Loi sur la radiodiffusion r\u00e9it\u00e8rent essentiellement le fait que la production de nouvelles constitue une activit\u00e9 unique, qui est particuli\u00e8rement susceptible face \u00e0 l’empi\u00e8tement du gouvenrment si bien que la Loi interdit des liens plus \u00e9troits, qu’ils soient financiers ou autres.<\/p>\n Autrement dit, m\u00eame si C-60 devient loi, cela pourrait signifier des ann\u00e9es de batailles juridiques co\u00fbteuses (\u00e0 m\u00eame les deniers publics) pour d\u00e9terminer comment cette partie du projet de loi et la Loi sur la radiodiffusion peuvent co-exister.<\/p>\n Est-ce que le gouvernement actuel souhaite v\u00e9ritablement\u00a0\u00eatre reconnu comme le gouvernement qui a mis en place une loi qui permet l’ing\u00e9rence du gouvernement dans la gestion du diffuseur public, qui cr\u00e9e des liens plus \u00e9troits entre un parti politique et le radiodiffuseur public, et qui influence les nouvelles directement ?\u00a0 Que se passe-t-il si un autre gouvernement est au pouvoir ? Voudra-t-il lui aussi mettre sa \u00ab\u00a0marque\u00a0\u00bb sur les nouvelles ?<\/p>\n [CBC Budget You may also be interested to know the exceptional financial costs this bill may result in,\u00a0because of its questionable existence alongside Canada\u2019s Broadcasting Act. We believe some of the unintended consequences of C-60 may conflict with the Act, and more alarmingly could reduce the independence that is critical to news operations.<\/p>\n Quote: from the CBC President\u2019s presentation to the standing committee on Finance;<\/p>\n The corporations independence is considered so fundamental to its successful operation that the act protects the CBC from submitting \u201cto the Treasury Board or\u00a0 to the Minister or the Minister of Finance any information that provision of which could reasonably be expected to compromise or constrain the journalistic, creative or programming independence of the Corporation (52.(2)(a)).<\/i><\/p>\n That line from the Broadcasting Act basically reinforces the fact that producing news is a unique business, and so sensitive to government encroachment that the Act specifically bans closer ties, financial or otherwise.<\/p>\n So even if C-60 passes, it could mean years of expensive legal battles (using public money) to figure out how this bill and the Broadcasting Act can co-exist.<\/p>\n Does this government (any?) really want to go on record passing a bill that inserts government into running the public broadcaster and forging closer ties between a political party and directly influencing the news?\u00a0 What happens when another party is in power? Will it too want to put it\u2019s \u201cstamp\u201d on the news?]<\/p>\n Carmel Smyth<\/strong><\/p>\n Salaries Could it be a way to find out the salaries of television stars? Always a salacious subject south of the border where TV stars earn millions of dollars per episode.<\/p>\n -Sadly for reporters and anchors in Canada that almost never happens here. The salaries are much more ordinary.\u00a0 A quick survey of our members show (depressing for news staff, but perhaps revealing for the committee) of the more than 4000 CBC staff we represent across the country,\u00a043 earn in excess of 120 000 dollars a year in salary.<\/p>\n -And in addition, many of these \u201cstar performers\u201d are on special contracts for limited terms, and have no guarantee of long term employment.\u00a0 Their contracts are renegotiated regularly and can end at any time.<\/p>\n We have no way of knowing if such a sunshine\u00a0list is the intent of the bill. But if it is merely a way to find out what the handful of CBC\u2019s star performers earn, why not just go back to the drawing board and come back with a clear and concise bill to that effect.\u00a0 A bill which, although we still think is not necessary and serves no public purpose, would\u00a0 at least not\u00a0allow\u00a0 the same potential for government interference.<\/p>\n [Salaires Serait-il une fa\u00e7on de conna\u00eetre les\u00a0salaires des vedettes de\u00a0la\u00a0 t\u00e9l\u00e9vision ? Ces salaires sont\u00a0toujours\u00a0un sujet\u00a0int\u00e9ressant chez nos voisins du Sud o\u00f9 les vedettes de la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision gagnent des\u00a0millions de\u00a0dollars par \u00e9pisode.<\/p>\n -Malheureusement pour les journalistes et\u00a0les pr\u00e9sentateurs au\u00a0Canada cela ne se produit presque jamais\u00a0ici. Les salaires\u00a0sont beaucoup plus\u00a0ordinaires.\u00a0 Un sondage rapide\u00a0de nos membres\u00a0montre – d\u00e9primant pour le personnel du service des nouvelles, mais peut-\u00eatre r\u00e9v\u00e9lateur pour le comit\u00e9 – que\u00a0parmi les\u00a04000\u00a0employ\u00e9s de CBC-Radio-Canada\u00a0que nous repr\u00e9sentons\u00a0partout au pays,\u00a043 gagnent\u00a0plus\u00a0de 120 000 dollars\u00a0par an.<\/p>\n -De plus,\u00a0bon nombre de ces\u00a0 \u201c vedettes \u201d ont des contrats\u00a0sp\u00e9ciaux pour des\u00a0p\u00e9riodes\u00a0limit\u00e9es, et n’ont pas de\u00a0garantie d’emploi \u00e0 long terme.\u00a0Leurs contrats sont ren\u00e9goci\u00e9s r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement et peuvent se terminer n’importe quand.<\/p>\n Nous ne savons pas si l’objectif du projet de loi\u00a0est de produire la liste des salaires de telles vedettes. Mais si c’est juste une mani\u00e8re\u00a0de conna\u00eetre ce que gagnent les quelques\u00a0vedettes \u00e0 CBC\/ Radio-Canada, pourquoi ne pas simplement\u00a0pr\u00e9parer\u00a0\u00e0 la place un projet de loi\u00a0clair\u00a0et concis.\u00a0Un projet de loi\u00a0qui, bien que nous estimions qu’il n’est pas n\u00e9cessaire\u00a0et ne sert aucun int\u00e9r\u00eat public, aurait au moins le m\u00e9rite de ne pas pr\u00e9senter\u00a0le m\u00eame potentiel\u00a0d’ing\u00e9rence gouvernementale.]<\/p>\n Jeanne d’Arc Umurungi <\/strong><\/p>\n R\u00e9gimes de retraite -La part de CBC\/Radio-Canada provient de son budget annuel; c’est \u00e0 dire que le gouvernement n’engage pas un sous de plus que le montant, par ailleurs de de plus en plus r\u00e9duit, qu’il affecte \u00e0 Radio-Canada chaque ann\u00e9e.<\/p>\n -Le r\u00e9gime de retraite et le salaire font partie d’une r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration compl\u00e8te, et en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 les salaires \u00e0 CBC\/Radio-Canada\u00a0ont en moyenne augment\u00e9 de\u00a0 1,9 p. cent au cours des sept derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es. (comparativement au secteur piv\u00e9 o\u00f9 les salaires ont augment\u00e9 en moyenne de 3 p. cent au cours de la m\u00eame p\u00e9riode, presque le double donc.)<\/p>\n Vous comprenez certainement les r\u00e9gimes de retraite, la Loi sur la radiodiffusion et les probl\u00e8mes juridiques potentiels mieux que nous… mais vous vous demandez peut-\u00eatre comment le projet de loi C-60 pourrait influer sur les nouvelles<\/p>\n [Pensions<\/em><\/b><\/p>\n -What about pensions? It has also been speculated that finding out what CBC staff pensions are, might be the intent of this bill.\u00a0 Again the reality is not particularly noteworthy.\u00a0 Both the CBC and its employees contribute to the pension, which is managed independently, and more importantly costs the government\u00a0nothing extra.<\/p>\n -CBC\u2019s portion comes from its yearly budget, so it does not cost the government a penny more than the decreasing amount it gives the CBC each year.<\/p>\n -The pension and salary are part of a pay package, and in fact salaries at CBC have increased only\u00a0 1.9% on average over the last 7 years. (compared to salaries in the private sector which have increased at nearly twice that rate, an average of 3% in the same time).<\/p>\n Many of you understand these things –\u00a0pensions – the Broadcast Act,\u00a0and potential legal hurdles –\u00a0better than we\u00a0do\u2026but you may still wonder how C-60 could influence what news looks like]<\/p>\n Carmel Smyth<\/strong><\/p>\n We see that happening through government involvement in collective bargaining<\/em>.<\/b><\/p>\n If a government appointee were sitting at the table with us – this is what they could influence:<\/b><\/p>\n -Changing the CBC\u2019s strict \u2018conflict of interest\u2019 rules,\u00a0 that ensure journalists act in the public interest [Nous voyons cette influence s’exercer\u00a0par le biais de la participation du gouvernement\u00a0dans la\u00a0n\u00e9gociation collective<\/em>.<\/b><\/p>\n Si une personne nomm\u00e9e par le gouvernement\u00a0\u00e9tait \u00e0 la table de n\u00e9gociation\u00a0avec nous, voici ce qu’elle pourrait influencer :<\/b><\/p>\n -Modifier\u00a0les r\u00e8gles rigoureuses de conflit d’int\u00e9r\u00eats\u00a0qui assurent que\u00a0les journalistes agissent\u00a0dans l’int\u00e9r\u00eat du public Affaiblir ces mesures protectrices\u00a0pourrait mener \u00e0 l’impartition des nouvelles de\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada\u00a0\u00e0 un\u00a0\u201c service de nouvelles plus favorable au\u00a0gouvernement \u201d.<\/p>\n Jeanne d’Arc Umurungi<\/strong><\/p>\n All of these elements of the collective agreement have been developed over the years to ensure the CBC serves the public interest.\u00a0 These clauses<\/em>:<\/b>\u00a0 designed to protect journalists from political and other interference, and ensure they don\u2019t have to fear retribution, including loss of their jobs for reporting the news;\u00a0 are at risk<\/em>.<\/b><\/p>\n In light of all of all of this we wonder: What problem is this bill trying to address?<\/b><\/p>\n [Tous ces \u00e9l\u00e9ments\u00a0de la\u00a0convention collective\u00a0ont \u00e9t\u00e9 mis au point au cours des ann\u00e9es\u00a0pour faire en sorte que\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada serve l’int\u00e9r\u00eat public.\u00a0 Ces\u00a0clauses –<\/em>con\u00e7ues\u00a0pour prot\u00e9ger les journalistes\u00a0contre l’ing\u00e9rence politique ou d’autres int\u00e9r\u00eats, et qui\u00a0assurent que les journalistes n’ont pas \u00e0 craindre\u00a0les repr\u00e9sailles, dont la perte de leur emploi\u00a0pour avoir pr\u00e9senter\u00a0les nouvelles;\u00a0\u00a0sont maintenant\u00a0en danger<\/em>.<\/b><\/p>\n En raison de tout cela, nous nous demandons : Quel est le probl\u00e8me que\u00a0ce projet de loi tente de r\u00e9gler ?<\/b><\/p>\n Carmel Smyth<\/strong><\/p>\n For those unanswered questions and all of these reasons, we and thousands of other Canadians oppose this bill in this particular incarnation.<\/p>\n -You may have seen the letter of opposition signed by 18 prominent journalists and the Friends of Canadian Broadcasting. We urge you to take the CBC out of this bill, and to reconsider clause 17 as a whole. Should this bill become law, we look to your support in repealing it when a new government is in place.<\/p>\n And we commit to monitoring this over the next two years, to record problems, so when we speak again at that time, we can provide more precise details, of what we believe will be the likely, long term and unnecessary damage this bill will do to the CBC\u2019s reputation, and the reputation of Canada as a respected democracy with a proud history of an unbiased, and trusted media.<\/p>\n Thank you.<\/p>\n [Pour toutes\u00a0ces questions sans r\u00e9ponses\u00a0et toutes ces raisons, nous et des milliers\u00a0d’autres Canadiens\u00a0nous opposons\u00a0\u00e0 ce projet de loi\u00a0sous sa forme actuelle.<\/p>\n -Vous avez peut-\u00eatre vu la lettre\u00a0d’opposition\u00a0sign\u00e9e par\u00a018 journalistes reconnus et les Amis de la radio-diffusion publique. Nous vous exhortons de\u00a0retirer\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada\u00a0de ce projet de loi, et de repenser\u00a0la\u00a0clause 17 dans son ensemble. Si ce projet de loi devait devenir loi, nous\u00a0comptons sur votre soutien\u00a0pour la r\u00e9voquer\u00a0quand un nouveau gouvernement\u00a0est en place.<\/p>\n Et nous nous engageons\u00a0\u00e0 surveiller de pr\u00e8s la mise en ouevre de ce projet de loi au cours des deux prochaines ann\u00e9es\u00a0pour documenter\u00a0les probl\u00e8mes, si bien que lorque nous\u00a0nous reparlerons\u00a0\u00e0 ce moment, nous pourrons\u00a0fournir des d\u00e9tails plus pr\u00e9cis, de ce qui, \u00e0 notre avis, seront\u00a0fort\u00a0probablement les effets n\u00e9gatifs\u00a0\u00e0\u00a0long terme et inutiles\u00a0de ce projet sur la r\u00e9putation de\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada, et la r\u00e9putation du Canada en tant que\u00a0pays d\u00e9mocratique\u00a0avec un patrimoine fier de\u00a0m\u00e9dias impartiaux\u00a0et fiables.<\/p>\n Merci.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Le jeudi\u00a06 juin,\u00a0la Guilde canadienne des m\u00e9dias\u00a0\u00e9tait devant 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\n<\/strong>Comit\u00e9 s\u00e9natorial permanent des Finances\u00a0nationales
\nL<\/strong>e 6 juin 2013<\/strong><\/p>\n
\n–<\/b><\/em>Comme vous le savez s\u00fbrement, le gouvernement nomme d\u00e9j\u00e0 le pr\u00e9sident de CBC\/Radio-Canada et nomme aussi\u00a0 les 11 membres du Conseil d’administration; le gouvernement fixe \u00e9galement le budget de CBC\/Radio-Canada. Autrement dit, le gouvernmenet en place a toujours eu et et continue d’avoir un important contr\u00f4le\u00a0sur le financement du radio-diffuseur public – financement qui, vous le savez sans doute, a baiss\u00e9 chaque ann\u00e9e au cours des 30 derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es.<\/p>\n
\n–<\/b><\/em>As most of you know the government already appoints the CBC President, and the 11- member Board of Directors, and sets the CBC budget. So the government of the day, always has and continues to control the finances of the public broadcaster.\u00a0 (Which you may be interested to know have decreased every year for the past 30 years).<\/p>\n
\n<\/b><\/em>As we have mentioned, because the government already controls the purse strings and the approval process (through the President and the government appointed Board of Directors); we do not feel this bill is about financial control.<\/p>\n
\n<\/b><\/em>Comme nous l’avons mentionn\u00e9,\u00a0\u00e9tant donn\u00e9 que le gouvernement\u00a0contr\u00f4le d\u00e9j\u00e0\u00a0les\u00a0budgets\u00a0allou\u00e9s \u00e0 CBC\/Radio-Canada\u00a0et le processus d’autorisation (par le bias du pr\u00e9sident et\u00a0des membres du Conseil d’administration nomm\u00e9s par le gouvernement), nous ne pensons pas\u00a0que ce projet de loi\u00a0se rapporte au contr\u00f4le financier.<\/p>\n
\n<\/b><\/em>En ce qui a trait aux r\u00e9gimes de retraite, on a pu entendre dire aussi que peut-\u00eatre\u00a0 l’objectif du projet de loi est en fait de conna\u00eetre les r\u00e9gimes de retraite de CBC\/Radio-Canada. L\u00e0 encore il n’y a rien de partculi\u00e8rement remarquable.\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada et ses employ\u00e9s contribuent au r\u00e9gime, qui est g\u00e9r\u00e9 de mani\u00e8re ind\u00e9pendante et surtout ne co\u00fbte rien de plus au gouvernement<\/p>\n
\n-(changing) the definition of news and news programming, including what foreign correspondents cover to provide a Canadian perspective
\n-(changing) the protection a producer has to refuse to work on something they disagree with, the protection they have to be the final authority on a program, not to be fired or reassigned without justification, not to be discriminated against on political or other reasons
\n-(changing) the CBC\u2019s commitment to use CBC staff to produce the majority of news programming.\u00a0 Weakening this could allow for\u00a0 contracting out of CBC news to a \u201cgovernment friendly news outlet\u201d.<\/p>\n
\n-(changer) la d\u00e9finition des\u00a0nouvelles et des\u00a0\u00e9missions d’information, notamment\u00a0ce que les correspondants \u00e0 l’\u00e9tranger\u00a0couvrent pour offir la perspective canadienne
\n-(changer) la protection dont jouissent les\u00a0r\u00e9alisateurs\u00a0qui peuvent\u00a0refuser de travailler sur\u00a0 quelque chose avec lequel ils sont en d\u00e9saccord, la\u00a0protection qui leur donne le pouvoir final de d\u00e9cision\u00a0pour une\u00a0\u00e9mission donn\u00e9e, la protection de ne pas \u00eatre\u00a0renvoy\u00e9s ou reaffect\u00e9s\u00a0sans justification, de ne pas \u00eatre l’objet de discrimination\u00a0pour des rasions politiques ou autres
\n-(modifier) l’engagement de\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada\u00a0de faire appel au personnel de\u00a0CBC\/Radio-Canada pour\u00a0r\u00e9aliser la grande partie des \u00e9missions de nouvelles.<\/p>\n
\n-We the Canadian Media Guild want to share a similar letter of protest, signed by more than 50 prominent journalists and academics.
\n-In addition we are aware of at least two other petitions opposing this bill
\nAll signed by a total of more than 200 thousand Canadians in a matter of weeks.<\/p>\n
\n-Nous, la Guilde\u00a0canadienne des m\u00e9dais aimerions partager\u00a0une lettre semblable\u00a0d’ooposition\u00a0sign\u00e9e par plus de\u00a050 journalistes et universitaires reconnus.
\n-De plus, nous sommes au courant d’au moins\u00a0deux autres p\u00e9titions\u00a0sign\u00e9es en opposition \u00e0 ce projet de loi
\nToutes ces lettres et p\u00e9titions sont sign\u00e9es\u00a0par un nombre total de plus de\u00a0200 mille\u00a0Canadiens en quelques semaines.<\/p>\n